From Motivation To Action With Alexa Doman

Thomas Green here with Ethical Marketing Service. On the podcast today we have Alexa Doman. Alexa, welcome.

Thank you very much, Thomas.

It is my pleasure. Would you like to take a moment and tell the audience a bit about yourself and what you do?

Sure, yes, I am a career and life coach and I work with individuals and companies working towards their personal growth to help their professional development. That’s what I do, how I got there is another story, but I’m sure we will get on to that.

Did you want to get to your story?

Sure. It’s a good place to start. Yeah, so it all started about eight years ago. I was in a bit of a transitional period in terms of my job and like most people do when they’re in a transitionary period. I went to Asia to volunteer in the middle of nowhere. and I had lots of time in space to really think and reflect on what I wanted with my goals and with my life to move forward as a consequence of that, I moved to Spain, but this idea of me being so lucky to have that time in space and wanting to give that to other people resurfaced and I was chatting with a friend and I said, oh, that sounds like what a coach is, and I said what’s the coach?

And then he told me and I went for coaching myself and I was like, yes, this is exactly what I want, it’s forward focus, its motivational, this is what I’m good at, this is what I believe in. And so I did my training about six years ago and then since then I’ve been doing this in Spain.

Do you enjoy it?

I didn’t really enjoy it. Yeah, it’s when you’re in front of a client and you think, oh an hour, how are we going to feel that? And it’s amazing what can be accomplished in an hour and 45 minutes or 30 and just to kind of watch the clients evolve over time is a joy. Yes. Yes I do.

And do you have a cool story about how you got your first client?

Of course, trying to hack off my first client, I am a friend of a friend would be how – because you have to have so many training hours when you’re with a coach, but it was quite cool. This friend of a friend was in New York. So that was quite cool to have like an international clients sort of first off, but a really good lesson came to me when I was doing my training. I had two clients with the same problem. They didn’t like their job, they wanted to change their job and that’s what they were absolutely focused on.

One of the things of being a coach is you don’t judge. You don’t assume many things and so one of them was I need to change my job. I hate it. I want to train, I’m going to speak to people on the network. The usual thing. The second client. I hate my job. So I was thinking you need to network, you need to be trained. That’s what you need to do. And in the end she decided that actually she liked her job because it gave her all the other things that she wanted to do with her job. So she learned to appreciate her family more, her work life balance more. So that was a cool first lesson for me. Don’t assume don’t judge the client is the focus. It’s not my opinion. So that was a cool first lesson for me.

Yeah. Do you often get that kind of thing, I know what the issue is and you have to hold back from kind of sharing that with the client at the time?

Not so much now because I can recognise it and I can just let it go. But it’s that balance because they are working with you for a different opinion. But it’s the way that you present it. You present it as an offering. Like something just came up that they are very welcome to go, it’s absolute rubbish. I think that’s really important. You don’t present your idea is the answer. It’s just this is an idea. What do you think about that? That’s something that you can do. But more often than not you just bite your tongue many and ask away. But yeah, it’s tricky at first but you get to strip away in that instance and you’ve got, sort of, similar scenarios.

Are there typically issues that come up over and over again?

Technical issues come up in my opinion. People putting obstacles in their own way. So little things like typically house stuff or finance, like I don’t have my finance organised, I don’t have the house organised, I don’t have this this qualification and people put blocks in their way when actually if we looked at it from a different perspective, I would argue that they’re relevant. So that’s a typical one, sort of, people self-sabotaging is a really, really common one. Again with perfectionism, procrastination and these are all sort of big topics. And when you start to scratch the surface, the same things do tend to come up again and again. Which is great because you feel that you’re not alone. So I think that’s useful to people listening to this. Like you are not alone if you are procrastinating, if you put things off, if you’re putting obstacles in your way, everybody does it. But we can totally overcome it. That self-imposed limitations. Is that right? Indeed. Self-imposed limitations. Again, I don’t have time who chooses how you spend your time you do. So it’s all that part of taking responsibility for what we can control and how can we improve things bit by bit. I think people want this kind of magic wand. I’ve been saying to clients now, if I had a magic wand, what would your life look like? And you know, it’s a drastic change but life doesn’t work like that. We need to move the needle step by step. But if we don’t do anything then your guarantee is nothing changes.

You ever had anyone that you had to coach, just like the complete opposite of that, just like I can do, I can do anything type attitude?

Yes, yes, I’ve got one who was like, just didn’t do anything, they just complained and they complained and they complained and I used all of my skills and all of my experience and they ultimately didn’t want to change. So I think that’s really important. If you’re going to start working with an external person such as a coach, the coach needs to check that they really are prepared to take the work and just sitting and talking for an hour isn’t going to change. That’s the coaching sessions are just the touchstone. It’s working between, that’s the big one. But going back to your question, I do have a client and she is great. We started working together and she’s, I want to leave my job now. She wants to be a millionaire and she sends me her review of the work before the session so that we can get straight to the big stuff, you know, we’re not wasting time with. Oh I did this and did that and they are pages long and it’s fantastic to work with someone like that who’s super motivated. Yes. So there’s a whole range from people who they talk the talk and then there’s other people who are running the walk. Yes. And there’s a whole range of people that I work with.

Does it take a while to differentiate between people who do and don’t want to change?

Honestly, no. I think at the beginning yes. But now you can see them. Some people might be good at hiding it, but within one or two sessions you can tell and that’s absolutely okay because they’re in charge but it’s still your job to get them to where they feel comfortable to being. You still want that growth. Maybe it’s a small thing, but maybe for them that’s a huge step.

You don’t know. But the idea is you kind of have to keep chipping away even if there is that that resistance Yeah. One of the things which is I think in the messages before we got on the podcast and that was going from motivation to action and you touched on something previously which was used all of your kind of strategies and things. So I’m not asking for secret source, but what are some of the go-tos if you wanted to take someone from – I guess it’s not quite the same because maybe that they’re not motivated – but what would you do to kind of help someone go from motivation to actually doing something?

So you do want the secret source. It all of it, it’s not a problem. It’s not a secret. I think that’s the thing that I would love to share. Is that all of this stuff people are mostly aware of, they’ve just perhaps forgotten or decided that they don’t want to access it. How would I motivate someone? I guess the key thing for me is action. People think of, oh, I must be motivated and then I’ll take the action. But actually if you take action, you become motivated. It’s like a renewable source. Yes. You’ve got to have that spark like, okay, I’m gonna get out of bed to go to the gym, but more often or not when you’re at the gym, this is you get that feeling and you want it again and again and again. Again. The other argument would be, even if you don’t feel motivated, I mean, how often can you feel motivated is do it anyway. And again, that creates progress. The other thing that action creates is clarity and by creating clarity people can see the next steps so that there’s less obstacles. Often people sort of used the fog as a way of, oh, I don’t know what to do. But if we clear the fog, we can see better. We can see what action needs to be taken. We can be more motivated.

Great stuff. So, have you got examples of how you’ve used those principles?

I guess probably if I sort of speak personally is a big, huge project I had to do, which I had no motivation for us to make my website and I made my own website and I kept on putting it off and putting it off because I wasn’t motivated. So then I decided, right, I’m going to take action. What can I do? I can either contain it by task. So for example, I’m going to upload all the imagery or I’m going to do 30 minutes And that’s my action, whatever that 30 minutes might be. I’m going to take that action. So I think it’s really important and I recommend this to my clients as well that you create a container. You don’t just say, right, okay, I’m going to get a new job. You have to break it down. You have to create that container of, okay, I’m going to spend an hour updating my CV And I spent 45 minutes contacting people on LinkedIn and create that container because you are then more motivated to try it because you have that clarity.

But you also get that little thing, you get that little wind once it’s completed, which again goes into that self-renewal motivation cycle. So I think creating the container for myself and then I recommend this for my clients is absolutely, absolutely would you say that you’re quite a motivated person? What do you think, Thomas?

I think you’re bringing in a lot of motivation to this school, which is why are I can’t help it, I can’t help it. Now. I’m really, really motivated and I think that’s one of my strengths as a coach and I work as it worked as a teacher as well. And obviously as a teacher, you have been very motivated. So I’ve always brought that to the work that I’ve done and I hope it rubs off on people and inspires people. But yeah, I do what I do because I’m passionate about people helping themselves. I’m not egotistical enough or arrogant enough to think that it’s me, it’s them. But if I can help hold a hand, create some clarity, Give a little push, give a little inspiration for that person to pull themselves up or push themselves along. I’m in, that’s why you do what I do.

Have you got some favourite examples of before and after case studies? I know you mentioned the person who takes action on everything, but anything else?

She was good. Ah there’s so many. I think there was one – well there’s two. There’s one that was really easy, if you will and they’re working in the music industry and Covid hit. They didn’t want to be working in the music industry anyway. So they were already looking at ways to get out, but they again, they just couldn’t see how and I started working with them and they just kind of decided write software, that’s what I want to do. And every time we, we spoke, they were just doing these tiny little, they figured it out. And when we have the cause just as a reflection, okay, this is working, that didn’t work little bits of improvement. So that was a really nice kind of like, wow, they’ve, they’ve just got it and I’m just there as a cheerleader, which is what I can be. And then the other side was, I’ve just finished with this guy and actually in January, they were in a really, really dark place in terms of sort of family relationships, health job and we finished with them now, they are closer with their family than ever. They are starting their own business, they are putting themselves out there on the internet, on social media their day, like just a complete turnaround. and that was just wonderful to hear. And the best thing about sort of when you finish with a client because I don’t keep them forever, that’s my thing. I want to empower them for a period and then set them free. and when you set them free, we also talk about their next girls and it’s so inspiring to hear them say, well if I got myself from this place to this place, imagine where I can go now, and that’s why this person was this person was again like I’m going to reach for the sky say, hey, that was cool.

No, it’s cool, is that not a bit of a truce? A bittersweet moment in the sense that you kind of have this close relationship with this person and you help them loads and then kind of the, you know, if you empower them to help themselves, it’s kind of the end of that relationship, if you will. Yes, completely, and I didn’t know this, I know this now, but I didn’t at the beginning, but what tends to happen is the last session that we have, I get this sense that they don’t need it, I don’t need you anymore, Alexa, you’ve taught me the tools, I’ve taught myself the tools, you’ve empowered me enough, I don’t need it. And I always say to them at the beginning of our journey together, that’s what I want, it’s a kick to the ego, You don’t need me anymore because there are times when I am very needed, but generally that last one, they’re like yeah I’ve got this, bye. So yeah, here’s a kick to the ego, but it is wonderful to have clients who come back because they want the next level, so I’ve had people who wanted to focus on sort of their relationships with themselves with others in their health and then they come back to me two years later, and now they want to start their own business and that is awesome.

Yeah, I guess it is quite rare for a human being to have everything in their lives completely sorted. So I do see the need, if, you know, if you get, if you sort it out in that particular area and you think actually I’d like to approve upon this, going back to your coach and saying got a new goal or a new target. Yeah, absolutely. And it’s a refresher as well. This person, again, another person during lockdown, they were, they were really struggling and now they’ve pulled themselves back up again, you know, they started hobbies like sailing, they had really been health issues, they’ve started their back out, their relationship with their family and now they are, I want even more and it’s a pleasure to work with people like that because you’ve got that past experience of, okay, I know this person is prepared to put the work in, you know that the sky’s the limit. And I had a call this week and I said to them as I say to them at the beginning of every session, what’s your goal, what’s your outcome at the end of this conversation? And they said to me, I don’t know, I just want more, I knew you that you that you were gonna ask me that I just want more, okay, let’s get more and we did a huge brainstorm and we had so many things.

So yeah, I think I just think it’s really great to have an external help if that could help you. I’m not saying coaching is that everybody, but for some people, and it’s not necessarily that you’re not motivated. In fact motivated people, they just need that extra little help and off they go. Have you given any thought to that topic of, let’s say what percentage of people would benefit from coaching? 100%?

No, I think it very much depends on the person. I do think everyone should try it. I know lots of companies now are offering it and I think if you have the possibility of working with the coach through company, you should try it if you like it, great if it works, if it doesn’t, that’s absolutely fine as well. But I remember when I started and coaching wasn’t quite very popular now and lots of companies are taking it on borders, you know, instead of training.

But when I first sort of started telling people that this is what I was doing, people weren’t very nice. And one of my friend’s husband said, why do I need a coach? I’ve got a wife and I thought, wow, you probably need coaching if that’s your response? Well, I was actually going to say you probably don’t want to coach someone like that. No, I don’t, I don’t, but it is interesting that sometimes people who have this provider, I don’t need help and then actually they speak to someone and they realise, wow the power to have someone who is objective, non-judgmental. And just to be heard, lots of people that I work with, wow, someone just listens to me for an hour and I don’t need to ask them. I don’t need to justify myself going on. That’s it. So yeah, it also reminds me of a quote which is people who say that you can’t do something, what it really means is they can’t do something.

Yes. That’s so good. And when I first started exploring, if I want to do coaching, I went on various mini training sessions. And one of the things was how often do people listen to listen or do they listen to talk? And that just I’ve got lots of friends, but it’s true if you speak to your friends ah well that reminds me of the time I had a similar problem. No, but I’m talking about me and I think that’s what coaching can do can give that space not just for you to talk to talk, but for you to talk and us to get deeper, not just that surface level, but perhaps if you’re speaking with a friend or a colleague, you only stay here and really the magic is here when you when you peel that onion, so to speak, was that a difficult skill to learn or did you have a natural skill of doing that? It was difficult to learn because we all communication is listening and speaking, so to hold that judgment and I know the answer, I want to help you but that’s not what coaching is, you want the person to help themselves.

So it’s that switch and many times when I was first started I know yes, I know exactly, know exactly what you need to do and now it’s a pleasure to be wrong for the clients to come up with their own ideas and it’s a very much a two way process and many times after a call I’ve quickly had to write down their ideas because I want to implement that for my life as well. So I think it’s a really, really special relationship is reciprocal and it I think is testament to the power of coaching is that you are the driver, you are the pilot. I’m just a person with a map with other options but you are always in control and it’s kind of wonderful to watch how other people drive in which other way they got.

I wouldn’t have even thought of, it’s interesting because you did mention, it’s kind of like a, you are there to listen in a sense, but at the same time do you get to learn from them much?

Is that a common occurrence for me all the time, it could be what to do or it could be what not to do as well or it could be confirmation of ah yes. You know I’m doing things well, we’re doing things well. But yeah, I would say all the time and particularly when you’re working with people who have blocks because we all have blocks and to see how they do different ways to overcome them. It’s really great. Some people all right, I’m gonna go at this, they have no patience whereas I might be a bit more reserved. So it’s quite nice to kind of learn a different way of attacking things and then I would offer that as well. Is there a timeline? What would it mean if you didn’t hit that timeline and just kind of explore what it really means to them. And it’s wonderful when you say something to them and it could be the tiniest thing but they’ve interpreted it as something huge and they go, you’re right.

I actually didn’t say anything and I think that’s really wonderful as well when they come to their own conclusions. But thanks for telling me in. Right, But thanks. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Put a little smiley face on my paper. Yeah. So what does prioritizing priorities mean? Mm. Yes. So this is a workshop that I do pretty prioritising priorities and one of the big things in this kind of goes back to obstacles is that there’s so much that we need to do so much that we want to do. Where do we start? We start with people typically start with a quick wind or they start with the things that they can see Emails A Classic one I’ll get attack the email box because that number is too big and you can see it go down, you can waste hours and hours on that. Actually, is that key to the project you’re doing to the business that you’re trying to grow or is it something else that you’re avoiding? So prioritise and priorities is yeah, there’s various different ways that you can tackle, just checking that you are, you’re putting those things first.

For example, I’m sure you’ve heard of Eat That Frog by Brian Tracy. That’s it. But it’s that idea. Okay, let’s do the thing that’s gonna distract us, that we know is the most important and it’s really going to take us to where we are rather than just messing around with these little things that we know, ultimately unhelpful. And that feeds into that de motivation as well. I spent all day attacking my email box and it’s the same number that it was, I know that I shouldn’t have been doing that and it was a waste of time. I don’t want to go to work tomorrow. Is that sort of self-fulfilling prophecy. So what are some of the priorities for you at the moment. Oh well, as an entrepreneur, I have a list as long as my arm, but it is genuinely a priority to rest. That’s my priority to actively rest. I think that’s my protein in August in Spain, everything shuts down in August. So even if I wanted to go for it, I can’t.

So my priorities are to rest and get things in order for September because September is really when people got back to school vibe, that’s when they’re right, okay, here we go and rested after summer. Let’s go. And I really, when there’s that push, for example, in January as well, it’s a really great time to kind of help people because they’ve got their impetus already. So my priority is to get ready for me to help other people in September.

So what does rest look like?

Oh, I would say rest looks like being on my bicycle. I had my best colour a lot, reading and just, yeah, I think play is a big part of rest for me. So it could be even sort of making videos for social media for me that play, that’s creativity. I live in Madrid. It’s a beautiful city, just walking around is a delight.

So that’s really important as well and we have these huge city pools that you can go and just lie all day. So I know that’s not play, but that’s, that’s definitely rest. So I’ll be doing that for sure, certainly sounds relaxing. So if you were to, let’s say give someone some advice on prioritising priorities as some might say, it’s someone you care about, you got a small amount of time with them and they could do with some of this advice. I know it’s not quite what you would do is coaching the let’s say just hypothetical, what would you advise them to do? I would actually, I’m gonna be annoying and get them to do the work as always. And a very quick way to do that is have a list of everything that you want to do this week and then look at that list what really matters what is really going to get you closer to where you are cross things out, move things over to next month.

Actually that’s irrelevant, focusing on the few things that would really move the needle, then piece of paper into the cost of you not doing those priorities, what is it? And then I know it’s obvious but the opposite side, the benefit of you doing those priorities because very often, oh, I didn’t do that. So that means bad, bad me. And we kind of punish ourselves. But actually if we can start to flip the flip of if I did that ah I’d save some money if I did that, that would mean in September I’d be one step ahead of the game mm Okay. And it’s I get people do that in my workshop and with my clients as well and you just kind of get silence and nodding of heads like yeah, yeah, I see it. I’ve got it and that’s what I would recommend. That cost benefit of not doing what you already know.

I’m sure, Thomas, you have in your head all these things that you’re like, I know their priorities but I kind of don’t want to do them. So if you think about that cost benefit, I think that helps give some an insight. It’s A Good one. I mean for me personally the cost benefit is just going to be a monetary amount. But if I were to actually calculate what that number is, it might influence me a little bit more than it has already. So may as well use that one. So thank you. Then I would encourage you to go deeper. What does the benefit of having that monetary increase me? Oh, it means I can have this holiday, it means I can go to this restaurant, it means I can have this extension and to build it more. Things aren’t just a figure or this isn’t just this go deeper. What does it really mean? Is what I would encourage you to do, Thomas.

Well, I appreciate that. I am going to turn it back around on you and ask you what happened in your last cost benefit analysis?

Yes, I need to do another one. I need to take my own advice. My last cost benefit analysis was a really deciding whether to take the step to become an entrepreneur or not. And I realised that the cost was my future income, not necessarily my current income. And when I looked at it like that, that really helped me and the benefit being, well maybe not this year, but next year I’m going to hit that extra bracket and that was really useful to me as well. The cost of not taking that step. Yeah. So I took the step and then what that means for you. Yeah. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And what that means to me and it means I can reach more people. I can deliver the messages that I want to do. And again, it’s that, you know that sort of action motivation thing. You know, I work with clients, but I also work with students as well and I finished teaching, I’ll teach at a business school and I met them in the summer for a drink and they were telling like, so I’ve done this because of your course and I’ve done that and thank you so much and it just re ignites the fire, Okay, I want to reach even more people.

So yeah, the benefits just keep on going and going and going. But you’re right, Thomas, I should do it again.

See you’re right, you didn’t even say anything. I literally used your words, repeated them back to you.

That’s it, that’s it. A lot of this stuff I think would be highly beneficial for the topic of time management but has it’s a topic that you are familiar with. Is there anything you’d like to add? Yes. I think all of this goes together. I think this kind of this, this procrastination, this priorities that goes in with time management. I think one of the key things, I have a stress and time management workshop and one of the key things that the participants have come back with me is this idea of progress, not perfection and people focused on perfection. So they spend too long on things, but also they procrastinate and not doing them because they wanted to be perfect. And I think if we just have that idea of done is better than perfect. I think that’s a really big help for time management.

That other key thing is we set the game up against ourselves. I have a list, as long as my arm, I’m not gonna do it. I might do one or two things. I’m not going to do it. But what if I reduce that list? The magic number for me personally is 55 things in the day that I have to do. Those are the five things. If I finished them and I have time to do something else fantastic if I don’t, that’s okay. But by choosing those five things at the end of the day for the next day and make sure that I am prioritizing my priorities and I’m getting that. Yes, I finished the whole thing. Well done me. So I think that said it don’t stack the game against yourself.

Why are you saying that you need to win nine nil the game? You know nil is still win? I think that’s really important for people. And I think that’s really helped.

Thank you. Great advice. Well you mentioned that at the beginning of let’s say you’re coaching calls or perhaps when you’re working with a new person, you ask them about your goals. And I said I wanted to ask you about yours, so Alexa, what are your goals?  And I asked you if world domination was an acceptable answer and you said no judgment, I would, my goal is to reach more people, how that happens, we will see. But generally I want more people to not just hear what I’m saying or people in my field of saying, but to actually take that action. And I think that’s my goal is to I don’t want to talk about motivation. I want people to implement the action and that’s my goal, how it happens. Bracker said we will see me. But yeah, I want I want to inspire people to really become who they want to become and when you see people, not even necessarily achieve that, but they are on their way to that.

It’s an inspiration back and it’s an inspiration to people around. So that’s my goal is for you to get your goal interesting. So how will you know when you achieve your goal? That’s good. That’s a very good question from us. I think it would be a feeling like, yeah, I’ve got this and kind of, knowing that I’m not me, but a go to that coaching is a go to that, coaching is a real valid tool that people can lean on and push off on. I think that’s when I’ll know when people, you know, they’re coming to me, like you helped my colleague, you help my friend help me too. That’s when I’ll know that I’ve reached my goal, so it’s a good summary. You want to be an authority in your industry? Yes, Okay, well, I’ll be looking out for you, that’s for sure.

Good, good. I look forward to it. Is there anything that I haven’t asked you about that you think would be valuable to the audience to mention? I think this idea of self-care is one that is useful for people particularly now, as we’re kind of in this transitionary period, is to keep looking after ourselves and this boundary, particularly as people working from home and the boundaries have shifted. I think boundary work is a really big thing that keeps on coming up with my clients and will keep them coming up in the future and for people to start to practice saying no to things. I think particularly British people we really liked. I’ll let you know, let me check my diary when you know that it’s a hard no, it wouldn’t serve you, you don’t have time, it’s not quite what you’re looking for.

So I think for people to start to play with that note both in their personal life but in their professional life, knowing from the outset it’s a no and you don’t need to keep that niggling feeling of how am I going to think of an excuse to get out of that? I think that boundary work is really, really important. Does it also sort of play into, you said the mix between home and work in terms of boundaries. Do you mean kind of Where it’s difficult to distinguish between the two?

Yes, that’s definitely one of them. people particularly at the end of the day, they are finding it very difficult to switch off and they’re working longer. They’re not leaving. You know, they close the laptop but they’re not changing their work environment. They’re not changing their clothes. There’s not that transitionary period that we used to have And I think people need to start setting that boundary, Okay I finish work at six fifteen? That’s a hard close and to start being strict with themselves.

I set myself alarms like because you know, I get in the flow, Thomas, and then the alarm goes okay. That’s a hard, that’s a hard no, also people seem to be struggling with bedtimes a lot and boundaries with that the phone and the scrolling is really creeping into kind of like bedroom boundary as well. People seem to have their morning routine quite set up, so much on the internet about that, but I’d quite like people to focus a little bit more in the evening routine. Okay, so an hour before bedtime, what do I need to do to help me sleep better? Maybe I’ll put down some things, the five things that I need to do tomorrow on a piece of paper and put it in a drop, I need to tidy the kitchen up, I’m going to lay my clothes out the next day and just kind of close the day, I think that’s something that people could work on. Do you have something specific that you do like that? I have heard of someone getting suited up each day for work even though they’re working from home and then when they, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, totally, no, I do I do recommend I recommend a song just straight away, it just takes you out of there, so I have a sort of end of work playlist and I just put it on and oh okay, but I would never listen to this if I was working, so it just kind of takes me out of that, change clothes, putting the computer away and just kind of clearing the space. And it’s very small things but it just kind of means like oh I can’t access the computer now so I’m off. If an idea or something comes up I can put it on a piece of paper and that can wait for tomorrow. But yeah I do recommend you know changing the environment, going outside for a second, you know, going into the garden or taking a quick walk. But yeah just changing that environment really helps close that boundary between work and home.

So what should I play after we stop recording here?

Oh my goodness, I’d love to come up with a really cool one for you. Let me see. Mine’s a bit sad really. A bit of Paolo Bettini. I know it’s quite old but I like Paolo Bettine. Iron Sky, Iron Sky, You know that one?

I will once we stop recording.

Yeah he has a very motivational speech. We are the people and the very motivation so it’s like yeah I can do it. So I like to listen to that.

Consider it done.

Good, let me know. Thank you very much for all the information. I think it’s been a valuable and fun conversation, so thank you.

Good, you’re welcome.

Where’s the best place for people to find you?

You can find me on LinkedIn, Facebook, Instagram and now TikTok also I have my website and it’s Alexa Doman, so Alexa is in Amazon Alexa, Alexa Doman, D-0-M-A-N. And you’ll find me with my website and the other social media.

Alexa, thank you very much.

You’re very welcome.